Bitching Post

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  • So much going /gone nonunion 03/20/2018  1:27pm

    It's great that rocktopia now is a part of a Union contract. I am very pleased. But what about everything that is out on tour that is misleading audiences into believing they are seeing a "professional touring show from New York" , when it is non-union? As Equity continues to add more people to its roster , why doesn't it crack down on things like this? Why is any musical giving out its rights to be toured when it is non-union? Why isn't the equity pushing for these things? Oh I know the obvious answer. Money. But that is not enough when they claim to be truly looking out for their people, and at the same time adding more and more people into the Union.


    Non equity does not mean that it’s not professional. Union status doesn’t make you more or less talented. So the talent doesn’t change. The quality of the production doesn’t change either. It just means that it’s bit backed by a union. Nothing else changes. It’s still a professional touring company from New York

    Just here auditioning and stuff 03/20/2018  1:29pm

    Not backed by a union*

    Just here auditioning and stuff 03/20/2018  1:30pm

    ^^^Beat me to it.

    Icanseeyou 03/20/2018  1:31pm

    Oh believe me I know that it does not mean anyone is less talented in the production. But when all of these actors who are not part of the Union are getting more and more opportunities to do these major tours, and tours are playing at these major houses where the audience thinks that, for instance, the Beauty and the Beast they are watching is the same as Jersey Boys. It is not, and I feel it is so wrong that Equity has not tried to bring these shows back to the union... Have there been pushes in the past, I would love to hear about them. I would love to be wrong, and have someone tell me that Equity is in fact actively trying to get these tours to move Union and get more opportunities for its members.

    I became Union for the idea of having someone on my side, protected Productions, insurance, and better opportunities... But since becoming Union I've seen so many more things going non Union, especially tours.

    tell someone you're in a national tour, anyone outside the theater doesn't know Union versus non-union, it sounds like the big time. Yes an amazing opportunity for a non-union performer... But when it's advertised and appearing on the outside as the same or almost the same as any other Broadway tour, how is that right for union members?

    Listen, I'm about the most idealistic person around, but I have just been so frustrated for so long. If anyone can tell me that Equity has been pushing for a change, I would love to hear details. Sid?

    sing_happy 03/20/2018  1:36pm

    I strongly disagree with the quality of production doesn't change. It does. Sets get paired down for easier breakdown, one nighters take a toll on the talent, travel days that end in performing change the performance, cast size often shrinks. Cast tend to skew younger too. I won't knock the talent because most of those kids move on to do great things... but it does change. There is a difference. I agree its unfair to call it "unprofessional." But, it isn't the same standard a traditional broadway tour is held to.

    DorothyMichaels 03/20/2018  1:36pm

    Equity tours still send out easier to break down sets and they will still do what’s necessary to make it an easier job for everyone.

    Equity is fighting for these tours to go equity. But those companies are refusing. Stop blaming equity if you don’t know what’s going on.

    Just here auditioning and stuff 03/20/2018  2:14pm

    until "Broadway production" is a trademarked term, and regional road houses stop putting one-nighter bus-and-trucks in their "best of Broadway" series, there isn't a thing anyone can do about it. Some reviewers and audience members are becoming more savvy to the overall decline in quality, but they'll just keep selling this stuff as "Broadway."

    When I was in these non-eq tours I always laughed at how silly it was to be called a Broadway show...especially when the last revival of that show may have been 5-10 years prior.

    CompensatedPaperweight 03/20/2018  2:52pm

    Correct they usually pair the sets down for union tours. But a good example, without dragging Cats inflatable set, is Legally Blonde. They paired the set down for the union tour. Then futher cut the sets for the non-union tour to a handful of units. When you do one nighters it needs more ease.

    Also, I actually think the union is doing a great job curbing this market. There is more work to do. But, if you see the other recent thread on this, I actually think the union is doing all that they can short of making a deal with the SDC so that you can't use the original broadway staging.

    I also think it should be noted, I think non-union tours are a great stepping stone. I see their value from our side as performers. It gives you real legs. If you can survive 21 one nighters in a row, I truly believe you can do anything. And you get work with great choreographers, directors, casting, learn life on the road... Its great. I think the real setback is an audience that sees this Rent tour may be less likely to go see the next broadway tour in their area because there is something they can't put their finger on thats missing.

    DorothyMichaels 03/20/2018  2:52pm
  • why MFA? 03/20/2018  10:31am

    Aside from wanting to be a professor or dedicate your life to studies, why get an MFA in something like acting? Those of you who have gone down this road, what were the benefits? Why choose this over, say, any other method of training/networking without the added stress and debt of school? It just seems like a ton of time away from 'the biz' for a degree that won't buy you a role over anyone else if you aren't right for it. I feel like this business is hard enough already and so is school. I know working actors who got their masters in social work, kinesiology, etc, which makes more sense to me. So I'm genuinely asking- please englighten me!


    Bump because I'm curious about this as well

    I'm the first girl in the second row. 03/20/2018  11:51am

    I'm in the thick of it right now. 3/4 of the way through my first of three years in my program. The conservatory training that I got in NYC was sufficient in that I got a solid foundation in practical theatre training. I felt I got far with where I was but came to the realization that I am not where I wanted to be professionally as I got deeper into the theatre community in NYC.

    First, I wanted to go due to peer pressure. Many friends of mine in the theatre company I was with were going into many of the top schools. I also did it because I wanted a guaranteed AEA card by the end of my training. I'm also from New York so I wanted to go away for a while, have a change in scenery in my life and just be a hermit focusing on my craft for an extended period of time. My path to grad school isn't exactly how I thought it would turn out but I'm at a program that offered me a scholarship + stipend + insurance. I'll have my AEA paid for when it's eventually offered to me here. My program isn't where I envisioned myself to be but it's what I wanted. I didn't start pursing acting seriously until my mid-20s; I've been hustling in this game for just over 10 years, I know I'm in this for the long haul. How could I turn that down?

    Now that I'm here, it is a lot of work and there are some realizations you didn't factor in after you're in the reality of being a grad student. I sometimes forget that I am a student again and I am boldly reminded of that sometimes. I'm pretty far removed from NYC right now and it's entertaining that I'm the one who's most current about what's happening out there. There are still things you have to pay for despite being on a scholarship and stipend. I could go on but not exactly trying to rant..... but that's my piece on MFA programs.

    TheAmasian1 03/20/2018  2:43pm
  • When Do You Put "Upcoming" Shows On Your Resume? 03/19/2018  11:07am

    Just a quick question.

    If I have a contract that's 2 or 3 months away from now, can I still put "Upcoming" shows on my resume, or is it too soon or something? Or does it even matter?

    Just curious, thanks!


    i put upcoming once i am in rehearsals but that is just me!

    openspace14 03/19/2018  11:14am

    You can... I would wait until your show officially announces casting. Also worth considering: if the show conflicts with the one you're auditioning or submitting for, it may work against you, as people may think you'll be unavailable for their projects.

    sinsajo 03/19/2018  11:21am

    @Sinsajo oh yeah I'd definitely wait until at LEAST they announced casting. I also wouldn't be auditioning for anything that conflicted because I like this contract haha so I guess generally, it's fine?

    newtothisbiz 03/19/2018  11:34am

    I have a list of Recent Auditions on my resume where I include the title, producing theatre, role, and who I auditioned for. Its in the top right corner, opposite my info on the left, in a small and lighter font and it's styled similar to what "news feed" would look online. Never saw it before, know it isn't common--but I ain't common, boo boos,:-) I add it because I don't get cast in new work often enough for my credits to have worthy changes and I want the CD's to know that I'm still active and what caliber of productions and character roles I am seeking. I have received no knowledge that it would be looked down upon, I also kinda don't really concern myself with that; the more info the better, I say. Plus, Jordan Thaler is one MAJOR CD I have a *minor* relationship with. I auditioned for him last week and his name is in that list. And he was all smiles throughout my time. I'd sure as hell be happy to see my name on someone's resume! #CastingBy #YAS

    kebnyc 03/19/2018  11:36am

    Please be aware of a casting email from a company called Livingood Pictures. It is a SCAM. I received an email from them stating they came a cross my profile and wanted to book me for a commercial gig. I went alone with it to see how far they will go and when i read their contract stating of an upfront payment i knew it was a scam... I took the check i received and reported it to my bank... please do not deposit the check it is not real... this the email i received.

    Good day,

    My name is Dave Garnett (Project Director with Livingood Pictures®). Livingood Pictures is a full-service video production company and digital marketing agency.Our clients trust us to craft persuasive video content and deliver results that matter.In addition, we drive regional commercial film and television production and attract inward investment by promoting the region as a base for incoming film and TV production.

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    Event Date 1 : March 24th 2018 & March 25th 2018
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    Wardrobe, Hair Stylist and Make-up artist available.
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    Project type : On Camera display (No Voice)
    Usage : Web, e-mail, Photography and print advertising for 5 months.
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    *Pay with contract
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    *Free Acting/Modeling Coach
    *CD copies of all shoot

    Modelling experience is desirable but NOT necessary but you must come with fun and energetic attitude and you must be comfortable working in front of a camera. The ability to act, interact with others and take direction is a must. But most of all you need to look like you are having a great time with a big smile.

    Livingood Pictures® will be in charge of Art direction and production. Also free lunch on location. This is a full buyout for just 5months to 1year and if my client would like to re-purchase the photos at the end of the 5months to 1 year contract, the cost can be renegotiated at that time. If interested, and available for any of the above mentioned dates (Event Date 1 or Event Date 2), please contact us via e-mail at ( and be sure to include your current location in other to be considered for immediate booking.

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    selena 03/19/2018  12:42pm

    Early in my career, I was cast in several shows that were cancelled. Ever since, I may write an upcoming show on a hard copy resume (marking it as such), but I won’t do an actual resume update until the show opens.

    ThatOneGuy 03/20/2018  2:39pm
  • Nothing is garanteed... 03/20/2018  10:52am

    Getting cut out of a show you've been working on for two years that's finally going to This one fucking burns. This business really, really sucks sometimes.


    I'm sorry. I can't imagine what that's like. Love and hugs ❤❤❤

    TJ5616 03/20/2018  10:53am

    It has happened to two of my associates thus season in two upcoming Broadway Blockbusters and it sucks! All their work, nuances and insight remains in the piece but they were both cut due to budget constraints? I am sorry to read this. Keep your head up and keep doing good work. Everything always works out in the end.

    Bwayhereicome 03/20/2018  1:05pm

    So sorry..... that sucks big time:(

    beltress101 03/20/2018  1:08pm

    Feel you! 100% happened to me! Keep going!!!

    AFTC 03/20/2018  2:11pm
  • Actors in NYC, want to start a weekly meeting to help each other out Self-Taping? 03/20/2018  1:03pm

    I have legit lost agents at this point because I couldn't get a reader, or afford a reader, to get a self tape in on-time. probably the worst feeling fucking ever. Would anybody like to start a group to help each other out? Network, rehearse, self-tape all in once spot, each week. etc. I live in Bushwick and I can host the first meeting this week if anybody is interested!


    There is already a Facebook Group for this called NYC Audition Readers, which you can join. I have had excellent luck finding people with whom to do self tapes, run lines, etc.

    Prevrukhna Ptichka 03/20/2018  2:05pm

    Love this, lemme know of you proceed

    asongandaprayer 03/20/2018  2:10pm
  • ROCKTOPIA officially AEA 03/20/2018  1:29pm

    An e-mail just went out saying they have reached an agreement with Rocktopia that will have them under an AEA agreement. It is not clear if it will be production or not. Sounds like not. But still, and interesting development.


    Thanks for letting everyone know

    Just here auditioning and stuff 03/20/2018  1:31pm

    So the folks who already booked it are gonna have to join?

    Brakes 03/20/2018  2:01pm

    No one can force you to join. But they will be working under a union protected contract. At least this is my understanding of how something like this works.

    DorothyMichaels 03/20/2018  2:04pm

    You don't have to join, but AEA will take dues/etc. out of the wages for sure.

    So are we going to now have to validate all of the 'Broadway Debut!' statuses now? No less talent involved in part-time chorus work...but I just can't with them.

    AFTC 03/20/2018  2:10pm
  • Ugh. 03/19/2018  3:09pm

    When you see that your video submission has been viewed 6 times, but no response from the casting people, so you go back and rewatch the video 3 times and find everything wrong with it and decide you are terrible. #auditionseason


    This is why I hate doing video submissions- I feel like every flaw is magnified. You're not alone!

    bwaylvsong 03/19/2018  3:49pm

    WHERE IS THE LIE HERE...seriously, making them makes us even more neurotic then we already are...we see every flaw, because putting theatre things on video is just...ugh. And we keep redoing them because of it. It’s truly
    Mixing two mediums that don’t mix well. It’s not a bad thing, it just IS what it is.
    And video submission by nature fall through the cracks. All the time. People who come in person wil always be better remembered, again not a bad thing, human nature just remembers who was in front of you rather than a screen.

    Showbizdreamer 03/19/2018  4:06pm

    Does pretty much everyone dislike watching their own videos? I made one recently, kinda liked it on first viewing and then decided it was an embarrassment.

    ThatOneGuy 03/20/2018  10:35am

    Me right now. I feel your pain.

    ScreltersAnonymous 03/20/2018  10:43am

    While I hate that other people feel this way also, these replies made me feel better. Maybe my video wasn't the worst thing ever, and maybe the casting team isn't all sitting around the screen with a bowl of popcorn laughing at me?!?! Haha. I'm sure all of our videos were great, but like bwaylvsong said, EVERY flaw is magnified. And they can go back and re-watch said flaw as much as they like. Self tape support group, anyone? ;)

    YouGonnaCastMeOrNah 03/20/2018  1:27pm
  • NAB - Canceling Online Appointments 03/20/2018  11:19am

    I have heard that this is a thing, but I can’t seem to find it exactly in writing anywhere.

    My understanding is that if you want to cancel an Equity online appointment the day of but want to avoid the penalty, you show up in person and tell them that you have/had an appointment and ask to move to the Alternate A list. And then, even if you miss your alternate call, you avoid the penalty.

    Do I have that right?



    You can just go right online and hit cancel. No need to head down there.

    SteveRogers. 03/20/2018  11:37am

    You can’t cancel online after an hour before the scheduled time slot. So hypothetically we’re talking after that window has closed.

    VorpalDormouse 03/20/2018  11:45am

    You don’t have to do the alt list just ask the monitor to cancel the appointment.

    mm5252 03/20/2018  12:16pm

    If you cancel online the day of and don’t show up, the monitor will mark you as having missed it, but when the paperwork goes back to Tim and Andrea, they’ll see on the computer that you canceled and you won’t be penalized.

    You don’t have to move yourself to the alternate list if you cancel in person, you can just ask the monitor to cancel and they’ll mark down a “C” for cancelled.

    peter.pan 03/20/2018  12:48pm

    Thanks, y’all! Much appreciated.

    VorpalDormouse 03/20/2018  1:18pm
  • NAB East Lynne? 03/19/2018  6:08pm

    The Gig n Tell on East Lynne Theatre Co. is not great... wondering if anyone has had better experiences than the people who posted in GnT? Or if your experience reinforces what’s there, I’d be interested to hear that, too. Thanks!


    I have no inside info for you, but am curious, if you don't mind my asking, did you post this as a result of a callback, or just for general knowledge? (I've been hoping for a callback from them since the EPA several weeks ago; if callbacks are out, I'd like to move on...)

    Bardboy18 03/19/2018  7:07pm

    @Bardboy18 Yes, a callback from EPA. Just heard today, so don’t know if all CBs are out...

    not_me 03/19/2018  8:30pm

    congrats! Is your CB for the musical revue, or for one of the plays?

    Bardboy18 03/19/2018  8:57pm

    I've worked for East Lynne and really enjoyed it. I was proud of the production quality and found them to be very nice people. That's not to say that what's reported on G&T isn't true, but I didn't witness anything of that nature that during my time there. And just to reiterate one of the posts from G&T- many of their actors return for multiple productions/seasons with them, which I always find to be a good sign. I understand why you're hesitant after reading those reviews (I would be too), but it can be a good experience, so I wouldn't let a couple of negative reviews deter you. Hope this helps!

    cpardmore 03/20/2018  9:43am

    And just a general note on G&T: just like yelp and any other place on the internet people write reviews, people don't usually go to write "it was fine/ok/etc". They only bother if they have something extremely positive or negative to say.

    bwaylvsong 03/20/2018  10:21am

    ^^ Yes, I completely agree.

    cpardmore 03/20/2018  11:35am

    @Bardboy18 It's for the musical.

    Thank you so much @cpardmore for sharing your experience--I appreciate it!

    not_me 03/20/2018  12:47pm