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  • NAB: Real World Jobs 03/01/2018  9:12am

    Good morning y'all! So especially during this bonkers auditions season, I've found myself needing to make a bit more money. Right now, I'm grinding the temp jobs, making about $15 an hour for office 9-5, 3 or 4 days a week most weeks. Are there any gigs that pay more, and have more hours to work? Catering? Maybe weekend restaurant gigs? Bite the bullet and try to get certified as a bartender? I'm not asking for a hook up (although that would be AWESOME), just putting out feelers for what other people are doing to get by.



    BariToxic 03/01/2018  10:37am

    Catering is a good way to go. I'd also see if you can get in with an event staffing company, like Mustard Lane. As for bartending, the schools are kinda scams. I've been bartending for a long time and one of my coworkers used to teach at one. He said it's honestly not worth their money. If you can get training elsewhere (follow a friend, with catering, etc.), I'd save your $$.

    lili 03/01/2018  11:43am

    Hiya! I work for an ESL company called VIPKID where I teach Chinese students English online. Quite a few actors do it. It's fun, easy, portable, (I bring it on contracts with me to make some extra money) and pays pretty well. Upwards of $18-$20 an hour. I've been with them for about 9 months now and I've had a lot of success with it. It's completely changed my financial situation. Though it probably wouldn't be great as your only source of income, it's an awesome supplement! I can typically pay my rent and student loans with the money I make. Check it out here:

    taphappy 03/01/2018  2:49pm

    Stick with the temping but tell them you'll only work for $20+ an hour. Then they'll start giving you better gigs.

    thecherrylady 03/02/2018  10:01am

    ^I went to a temp agency a few years ago and they offered me a job for $13/hour and I said I couldn't do less than 15. I never heard from them again...

    bwaylvsong 03/02/2018  10:54am

    So this isn't for everyone, but I work as a tutor and I make a lot a lot of money. You'd be a good candidate if you graduated from a good school with a high gpa and even minored in something besides theater/the arts. I make anywhere between $70-90/hour depending on the subject and age of the student. I do that for about 3-4 hours 5xs per week and I earn over $4,000 a month. Definitely worth looking into. Also if you did well on any standardized tests, ACT/SAT, then you'd also be hired to tutor

    RealDeale 03/02/2018  11:16am

    RealDeale, how did you get into that? I minored in English and got pretty high grades, but everywhere I look seems to want a masters or several years of tutoring experience

    reeee 03/02/2018  1:23pm

    With VIPKID, does anyone know what the typical hours for that are (US time)? Seems like it'd either be very early morning or late night, anyone have sound problems with roommates etc?

    YouKnowYouKindaLoveAndrewLloydWebber--Don'tHate 03/02/2018  1:32pm

    Hi @YouKnowYouKindaLoveAndrewLloydWebber--Don'tHate you're right, China is 12 (sometimes 13) hours ahead of us. The working hours are from 8pm-9am and when DST hits on March 11th it'll be 9pm-10am. I currently live with my fiance and have lived with roommates in the past as well. It's never been an issue. I suppose it would depend on where your bedroom sits in relation to your roommates.

    taphappy 03/02/2018  2:43pm

    @RealDeal -- I double majored in Theatre & Economics and got another minor, and graduated with 2nd level latin honors. I'd LOVE to learn more about that tutoring gig!! Can you send me an email or comment below with website/application information for that specific tutoring company?

    BroadwayFetus 05/24/2018  11:00am

    Re-visit your work resume, playing up everything that involves organizational skills, muktitasking, any office work, etc. Send to various temp agencies, specifying you’re looking for $20. Show up to interview at the temp agency looking very polished and conservative. There are tons of office gigs that pay $18-20 for someone that really just looks professional and doesn’t get flustered under pressure. Good luck :)

    FierceConversations 05/24/2018  11:52am

    ^ exactly, RE: temp agencies. And sign on with as many agencies as you can, and then you can bid them against each other once you're top talent. Market yourself as having executive assistant experience and you can get $22-25/hr, especially if you're not booked for the summer and willing to do a maternity coverage. Many places also offer lunch and other benefits. It's an easy, AC/indoor/off your feet job. Good luck!

    thecherrylady 05/25/2018  8:48am

    Can anyone please direct me to which staffing/temp companies I should submit?

    Yepthatsme 05/25/2018  12:18pm
  • NAB - Tips for Singing Appts as a Dancer First 05/25/2018  11:34am

    So...I'd like consider myself a triple threat. But of the 3, singing definitely comes last. My dancing usually gets me past initial dancer calls but I feel I hit a wall with singing. I know I need work, I know I can warmup more, I know I need voice lessons I KNOW. However at the moment I can't afford my voice teacher as often as I'd like. I have a bit of a fear of singing too due to not so nice comments in the past. I have a decent voice, but I can't seem to get through a song (when singing in front of people mostly lol) without my throat drying up/closing up on me, and uncontrollable shaking. Vocal inconsistency has been my problem for years and it's so annoying.

    SO. If you're still reading this (thanx), any tips or responses from anyone who can relate appreciated. #GetPastVocalAppts2k18


    I say all of this as someone who started out as a singer first:
    Consider the singing itself to be the least important component of performing a song. Even though you consider yourself a dancer first, when doing anything in musical theatre, you are an ACTOR first. A storyteller. Think of a song as a monologue set to music. Who are you talking to? What do you want from them? Why are you choosing to say these words? Why are you singing instead of speaking? A renowned music director once told me "it's not about how it sounds; it's about NOT CARING how it sounds." As soon as you let go of the psychological block, most of the problems you mentioned will diminish.

    bwaylvsong 05/25/2018  12:09pm

    So sorry to hear this. I’ve been in the opposite situation where dancing made me super super nervous, so I definitely can understand where you’re coming from!
    Motivated Movers is offering a “Sing Through Your Fear” workshop that was designed to help people in this exact situation.

    sweetcsh 05/25/2018  12:12pm
  • NAB Tour Guides 05/25/2018  11:40am

    Who here is a tour guide as one of their survival jobs? I'm looking to take the test soon and wanted to know if you had any advice for either the test or after the test.

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  • RIP NOLA 05/24/2018  2:28am

    There will soon be a generation that doesn’t know the pain of a NOLA open call.

    Share your fave Nola stories.

    (For those who don’t know, the building was bought by new people and the rents became outrageous. Shelter and other places are taking over some of NOLA’s studios and Nola will reopen elsewhere as a rehearsal space.)


    When people tried to beat the EPA lines that wrapped around to 8th Avenue but climbing up 11 flights of stairs.

    littleeagle 05/24/2018  7:56am

    i once identified and rescued the woman’s non-eq list that was blowing away for a call that wasn’t gonna accept it or see non-eq anyways (and even left a note on the door that they wouldn’t). But I saved a couple gals hope and that means something at the end of it all. (But that flat wall is risky. No wind break and I think I’ve only seen lists go missing at Nola).

    OH! Tripping into the audition room is a great start to meeting a new team. (I’m 6 feet tall. I can’t see those little step things).

    I don’t really care for that buildings bathrooms.

    BariToxic 05/24/2018  8:35am

    It’s only moving locations BUT...I haven’t forgotten the Fireside MM/BandtheB open call that the fire marshal was called and had to tell them to cut off the line because there was too many of us and those of us that didn’t even get into the damn building for typing were pissed because people insisted on showing up at 4-5 AM even though the posting said to NOT TO.

    Showbizdreamer 05/24/2018  9:49am

    Awkwardly making eye contact with someone sitting on the toilet as you walk into the bathroom because of those damn saloon doors on the stalls.

    awopbamboo 05/24/2018  9:59am

    My favorite Nola memories were when I could finally leave that fucking building...

    Rain On my Parade 05/24/2018  10:37am

    I tried researching this and found nothing. Any help. Where has this been announced or where online is this

    EpaMonitor 05/24/2018  11:23am

    Lol Nola did bookings on a paper calendar. You think they post anything online? But it is fully verified that they’re closed/closing. It’s been in the works for months.

    ‡‡‡ 05/24/2018  12:08pm

    I was told by multiple people it was moving not closing...or that Shetler is taking some of it...

    Showbizdreamer 05/24/2018  12:11pm


    qwertybelty25 05/24/2018  12:14pm

    I second (third?) those damn saloon doors

    backhomeballer 05/24/2018  1:33pm

    @showbiz, the most recent that I’ve heard is that Tucker has decided not to relocate. Shetler is taking some studios but as show rehearsal space, not small rentals like practice rooms.

    ‡‡‡ 05/24/2018  2:26pm

    Well then...okie dokie 😳

    Showbizdreamer 05/24/2018  2:44pm

    I could be totes wrong. It’s all second hand info. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    ‡‡‡ 05/24/2018  3:59pm

    The building was purchased by a new owner and is raising the rent. Nola is moving to a new space but will only hold rehearsals, no auditions. Shetler is taking over the Nola space.

    littleeagle 05/24/2018  4:03pm

    Who could forget the fist fight last year at Nola on the open call for finger lakes at 6 am!!!! Non equity blessed

    Gagainsider 05/24/2018  5:59pm

    Not sure why, but all my worst auditions have been at NOLA.

    justtryintob00k 05/24/2018  6:18pm

    Every time that theater by the sea and finger lakes have been the same day at the same time and people end up not being seen at either.

    Sibe11a 05/24/2018  6:49pm

    Least favorite: When people would ignore an EPA line outside 250, go through the 244 door and straight to the holding room.
    Favorite: I auditioned there for the first NY job I booked.

    ThatOneGuy 05/24/2018  9:08pm

    Least favorite: When people would ignore an EPA line outside 250, go through the 244 door and straight to the holding room.
    Favorite: I auditioned there for the first NY job I booked.

    ThatOneGuy 05/24/2018  9:20pm

    A friend and I got day drunk and went to Nola. We were waiting for a friend to get out of his callback and it was taking forever so we decided to try and figure out who all the super old headshots we didn't know on the wall were.

    That's the only pleasant memory I have associated with this place.

    LangdonAlger 05/25/2018  12:13am

    My favorite open call took place early on a Sunday morning -- when it was about 15 degrees out. I lined up with my fellow (and girl-fellow) actors at about 7:30 AM, with a cup of Throat Coat tea and a muffin from the little deli that closed last year. A few minutes after 8, it started to snow. There we stood -- all that was missing was boxes of matches or bunches of violets for us to sell. Fortunately, Kevin the doorman took pity on us -- and let us into the building early -- one elevator load at a time, of course, with the next 12 people waiting in the lobby. I think the building had suffered a power outage the day before, and when we got to the holding room, the heat wasn't on, and the bathrooms weren't working because the pumps hadn't been turned back on. A classic, to be sure.

    SusanCD 05/25/2018  1:05am

    ^omg I remember that. I'll never forget the fireside les mis open call where they only typed the first 100 people and for some reason they said we could walk up the stairs instead of doing that 12 at a time elevator bullshit and everyone went CRAZY when they didn't get seen.

    Fatniss_Neverlean 05/25/2018  1:13am

    One time, to get out of an invited dance call I didn’t want to go to, I told my friends to tell the monitor I had diarrhea and left early. I don’t think I could ever actually poop there because of those fucking saloon doors.

    I also remember part-singing for Merry-Go-Round (or, as the kids call it, “Finger Lakes Musical Theatre Festival) callbacks in a room full of strangers, all trying to hold a Tenor 2 line against the music director playing the Alto 6 line. Because reasons.

    yourmom 05/25/2018  10:10am

    The Fireside Les Mis call where people had to play a big game of telephone up to the floor above every time a name was called for typing.

    I got my first job there and rehearsed it at that studio, and I feel no alligiance. It was dilapidated. I hope Shetler cleans that place up. It needed to be updated or sold.

    VeryBariBaritone 05/25/2018  11:04am
  • NAB: family vacay...or...contract 05/24/2018  9:47am

    Hey guys!

    I'm waiting to hear back from a summer gig, but i've found myself in a tight spot. I was an idiot and didn't check the dates of the production when i first got called in for it...because usually i am so free to do anything i never have to worry about it (Lesson learned). but this year my family is supposed to be going on a vacation...which would now fall right in the middle of this 9 week contract...what do i do??? It's with a creative team i've been wanting to work with, and a show that should absolutely be on my resume...but


    Can you somehow change the vacay plans/meet up half-way with your fam?

    Personally, I would regret not taking a meaningful contract in order to go on a family vacay, but YOU have to make that decision..

    Good luck boo.

    Rain On my Parade 05/24/2018  10:40am

    With luck you'll always have family, but even with luck the work you genuinely want will not always be offered to you regularly.

    The choice is entirely yours, of course, as it should and must be, but please keep this in mind when you make your decision.

    Ron Gielgud 05/25/2018  1:28am

    For me, personally, it'd be a no brainerr. I'd be taking the contract. Everyone is different, though, and values different things. There's no right or wrong answer.

    dudeactor 05/25/2018  10:07am
  • NAB- Self Tape reader question 05/23/2018  3:38pm

    Hey ya'll, this is a really green question I realize but I just got a self-tape request and in the scene, my character talks to 2 people.

    Should I film with 2 readers or have one reader read both parts? I guess I'm wondering if it would be distracting on an audio level if there is sound from behind the camera coming from 2 places/people (even though it would be more realistic)? thoughts?


    Always just one reader but for every different person you're talking to use a different eyeline. So if your reader is person 1 (or whoever you talk to the most) and they're sitting on the right of the camera, put person 2 on the left.

    itwillbeme1day 05/23/2018  4:18pm

    THANK YOU SO MUCH, this is so incredibly helpful :)

    pianocat24 05/24/2018  12:01pm

    I mean if two people are willing and able sure use two, but obviously that’s not likely. Just one should be fine, and yes change eyelines and where you look. I did this with a friend recently but she also knew enough to speak in different voices for each character, were all actors so we should know this is a helpful tool, it certainly helped me a lot.

    Showbizdreamer 05/24/2018  12:09pm


    I record bunches of these: no need for two readers one is fine: CDs know that it's the nature of the self-tape beast.

    And yes try to adjust the eyeline though if you're taping or in the room and it's a situation where both reader characters are pretty much serving the same purpose in the scene (often two detectives asking questions), just use the one reader.

    BeMused 05/25/2018  12:51am
  • NAB: Crossing Over into TV/Film 05/24/2018  1:20pm

    Sooo I'm an equity actor and I primarily focus on musical theatre. Haven't made that Broadway debut yet but I've worked at a lot of the coveted regional houses, been in the scene for a few years now, and I'm very curious about crossing over into the TV/Film world? My agents don't rep me for it but I feel like they would if I talked to them about. If they were to do so...what it is like out there? Does my resume/equity status mean anything or is it like starting from square one? Is it even more competitive than MT? Are CD's open to finding new talent if they've never met/seen them before? I know the money factor is super legit so would love to try my hand if feasible


    your legit agents don't submit you at all for TV? That's odd. usually legit agents submit across all areas. if you feel like you don't know what youre doing, could take an intro on camera class with Bob K, Ted Sluberski, Heidi Marshall, etc. Or start doing 1:1s with tv casting directors. But honestly if you're repped, they should just start submitting you for costars. It takes a long time, but they do bring in ppl for costars with theatre resumes all the times

    fuzzletwit 05/24/2018  1:24pm

    I agree with the above, take a class for sure. It’s a different medium and when I made the switch into film from theatre, I had to learn (and unlearn) a lot. Technical things like eyelines and focus can make or break you in a film audition, so be open to learning the skills. Other than that, you should build up a reel through short films, even really great student films. Most film and TV CDs fully expect a reel with submissions. It doesn’t have to be fancy, just something to show how you look and sound on film. It’s competitive, all acting is, but I’ve found a number of CDs really respect a solid theatre resume! A lot of it, like in theatre, comes down to factors out of your control like your look. Best of luck!

    birdie 05/24/2018  1:48pm

    Hey you!!

    A client of mine actually just gave me a heads-up on this post which is one of the sweetest helps a gal could ask for.

    I went to grad school for acting and thought Id be making a career on the stage: five TV shows and plenty of working clients later I’m still in theatre but making my living on TV.

    I coach Actors in career paths. I specialize in folks moving from the stage to Camera: auditions and just general knowledge that you need. I currently have clients on Broadway and in multiple recurs. If you want to chat it’s

    It’s SO doable: but if you want a boost along the way...I’m happy to help

    BeMused 05/24/2018  2:19pm

    Hey BeMused! Do you have a website we could take a look at for any more info about you and your services?

    yolo 05/24/2018  7:47pm

    Hi again!

    I don't have a coaching website: since I'm an actor I find it confuses social media and web searches to have both listed...but I'm always happy to chat via that email or to connect you with any of my clients so they can tell you the kinds of things I'd touch on. While I'm tailoring our sessions to YOUR needs...of course they're going to overlap with others'.

    Sorry I didn't reply sooner I had a long night of VO recording and prep for an audition and a coaching's a life!

    BeMused 05/25/2018  12:48am
  • one one one sessions 05/24/2018  8:16pm

    Does anyone here do sessions with agents at one on one and are willing to share their experiences?


    They work but you have to be strategic about it. Generally you won't get signed by any really established agents unless you have a strong resume (bway/tv/film credits) or if you're a very very specific or unique type. Otherwise you should target smaller and newer agencies to get started.

    MyKingdomForARole 05/24/2018  11:41pm
  • NAB: am i in over my head? 05/20/2018  11:06pm

    i went in for a small role this past week on a tv series. it went fine, was actually super enjoyable. casting then called me in for a feature.

    it's a big part and it just seems kinda out of my league. i really dont have much experience with film and tv.

    is this a situation where i should probably cough up some serious coin and coach with one of bob krakower's underlings?


    You are worthy!!!!!

    If you think you have a good grasp
    on it then go for it, if not then coach it. I’ve worked with three celebrities and all three had coaches.

    Antonio95 05/20/2018  11:29pm

    Thanks! I’m gonna try to just have fun with it... but always good to remember that a lot of people at different levels use coaches. Might be good to use someone just to make sure I’m confident w it.

    itsalmostseven 05/21/2018  12:21am

    Honey, you being cast in a feauture means the casting team believes in your abilities and so should you. “You are enough, you are so enough, it’s unbelievable how enough you are.”

    What Is Insurance? 05/21/2018  5:13am

    Many of us have had that moment, after being offered what we have yearned for and dream about, standing in front a mirror and worrying that we don't belong here.

    And most of us quickly get over that and do whatever is needed to fulfill that opportunity.

    Go do it.

    In The Room 05/21/2018  5:59am

    Maybe you’re better than you think you are and Casting sees it. Maybe you got lucky. We’ve all seen untalented people in enviable contracts.
    But that’s not for you to decide. Stop judging! Control what you can. Coach the hell out of that side. Be the best you you’re capable of. Worst case you learn something but best case, you’ll get more confidence.
    Jump. Maybe you’ll fall. But it’s the only way you will fly.

    Juror #8 05/21/2018  9:14am

    thanks guys. it's always great to see some positivity (especially on auditionupdate) :) take the next right action and let go of the results

    itsalmostseven 05/21/2018  3:26pm

    If you need a quick coaching that's on the more affordable end, go to Ken Schatz.

    Arrietty 05/24/2018  8:15pm